Talk:George Armstrong (ice hockey)

Heritage

How is George "of Iroquois heritage" if "his mother was Ojibway and his father was Irish-Scot". This seems contradictory.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulbous (talk • contribs) 18:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Good Article Nomination (2014)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 23:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: Resolute

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 23:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

WP:LEAD:

Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done George Edward "Chief" Armstrong (born July 6, 1930) is a Canadian former professional ice hockey centre who played 21 seasons in the National Hockey League (NHL) for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Check for Format of the first sentence (MOS:BOLDTITLE):  Done Check for Proper names and titles:  Done Check for Abbreviations and synonyms (MOS:BOLDSYN): None Check for Foreign language (MOS:FORLANG): None Check for Pronunciation: None Check for Contextual links (MOS:CONTEXTLINK):  Done Check for Biographies:  Done Check for Organisms: NA Check for Biographies of living persons:  Done Check for Alternative names (MOS:LEADALT):  Done Check for Non-English titles: Check for Usage in first sentence: Check for Separate section usage: Check for Length (WP:LEADLENGTH):  Done Check for Clutter (WP:LEADCLUTTER): None

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2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google.)

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• c. No original research:  Done

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4: Neutral

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5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: Yes

6: Images  Done (PD)

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As per the above checklist, there are no issues with the article and it’s a GA. Thanks, Resolute, very much for your diligence in writing such great articles.

Promoting the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 22:49, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review! Connormah (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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23:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Position

In the infobox, it states that Armstrong was a center, while in the playing style section it states that he's a right winger. I noticed that Armstrong played both positions in his career. In the playing style section, it states that he holds the franchise record most points by a right winger, making right wing his primary position. So, shouldn't the infobox say he was a right winger, or both instead of just center? Heroman26 (talk) 23:51, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

For Sociology of Sport... (2017)

Further information: Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Windsor/Sociology of Sport (Spring 2017)

Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference?

Yes, I clicked every link in the references and everything was reliable. The references were from books and official sites about George Armstrong.

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you?

Everything in the article was relevant to George Armstrong's life and career. There was mention of his granddaughter being on the Harvard Crimson women's ice hockey team (also as a team captain), which is still relevant to him. The whole article is well written and does not go off topic.

Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position?

The article is neutral to him and is not heavily biased toward a particular position. He is written about positively on the article and is talked about still being a vital aspect to the Maple Leafs, by being a scout.

Gvinhaes (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

For Sociology of Sport... (2018)

Further information: Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Windsor/Sociology of Sport (winter 2018)

• Assigned to: Colombac (talk · contribs)

Assigned by Vicky Paraschak (talk · contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 5 March 2018 (UTC)

First Nations player

The article indicates he was the first player of First Nations heritage to score in the NHL. Was he also the first indigenous person who became an NHL captain, or Hall of Famer? If so, these should be indicated in the lede, as should being the first goalscorer. -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

First NHL goal by a player with Native heritage

The entry for hockey player George Armstrong says that his 1951-52 goal "was the first goal ever scored by a player with Native heritage." However, Clarence John "Taffy" Abel, who scored goals in the NHL in the 1920s and 1930s according to his Wikipedia entry (see "Taffy" Abel), is said to be of Ojibwe descent. For example, see material on Abel in Native Americans in Sports by C. Richard King or at https://www.bouchafilmproject.com/home-1. Since Abel was apparently born or at least reared in Michigan, and not in Canada, a possible resolution might be to list George Armstrong as the first goal scorer of First Nations heritage, while identifying "Taffy" Abel as an earlier player of Native heritage who scored in the NHL. However, I myself do not know if Abel's heritage is to Ojibwe families in the U.S. or in Canada (or both). Clarifying that would seem necessary to saying that Armstrong was the first goal scorer of First Nations heritage. RMTodd (talk) 02:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)